This means :
a) Getting puppies in the UK after they've had the vaccination and been chipped - ie at 16+ weeks
b) Picking them up at 8 weeks and renting somewhere in the UK for two months until they're old enough to bring home ( a lot of hassle )
c) Finding PON puppies outside the UK at a breeder in France or a country where there are no border inspections
d) Opt for a different breed or older dogs that need to be rehomed.
Our plan may require some mild mid-course correction . Option c) might be the best solution. The new rules can be seen here : http://ambafrance-uk.org/Importing-animals-into-France,2780
Next to the government offices an Indian restaurant serving sweetened chicken. What can it be ? Further down the road 'the font' finds a Norwegian restaurant. '' How wonderful !! ". Wonderful is not a word this blogger would use to describe pickled herring.
Angus, we have the perfect solution - a puppy friendly cottage by Loch Torridon available for a nominal rent. Enquiries to Bertie!
ReplyDeleteabout c) - why not go to the source, i.e. Poland?
ReplyDeleteI would opt for d)....but I am not ready yet.
p.s. if you chose my option c), "the font" would be in heaven with lots of pickled herring and you would be happy with...hhhhmmm...other things :)
Hi - We'd thought about driving to a breeder in Poland but ubless things have changed there are still customes inspections at the German / Polish border.
DeleteYou mean....you were going to SMUGGLE???? I haven't been inspected at the PL/D border for ages, even when driving in a, gasp, white van!
DeleteAngus, there are some very good breeders in France....... So exciting!
ReplyDeleteHave you contacted the SCC (equivalent of the Kennel Club in the UK) for a list of PON clubs and PON breeders in France?
ReplyDeleteAs for option D stick with the breed that makes you and “The Font” smile most when you are out and about and see a dog. For us it is golden retrievers, but you both love PON’s and having siblings (especially as puppies) is a recipe for so much happiness!
Dear ANGUS: I found the PON CLUB OF FRANCE for you just now, plus their list of all breeders of PONS in France. Hope this helps.
ReplyDeletePON CLUB OF FRANCE: http://nizinnyclubfrance.free.fr/ and the list of breeders in France:http://nizinnyclubfrance.free.fr/elevages.html
We came all the way to France, to the Loire Valley, from Canada - twice! - for our last and current Scottish Terrier. Now that should tell
you something! This way you would have no worries about "importing" your pups. Glad to help. EDENA in Vancouver
P.S. from Vancouver ANGUS: I just found additional info on PON breeders, including in France. Again, I hope this helps in the search.
ReplyDeleteThey are:
http://pondigest.tripod.com/ponbreeders.html
http://mazurow.free.fr/
The original info I sent was:
http://nizinnyclubfrance.free.fr/
http://nizinnyclubfrance.free.fr/elevages.html
And finally.......ANGUS.......if you want to come to Canada, to Nova Scotia........here is a wonderful breeder who just had puppies!
ReplyDeleteTake a look at their wonderful site. Now this is a breeder who clearly loves PONS!!!!!! Hope this helps. EDENA in Vancouver
http://www.whitestarpons.com/
click onto "puppies" for a look!
most of all - Good Luck!
ReplyDeleteThat's where the Norwegian restaurants are. SHE tried to find one in Oslo and only found McDonalds, Taco Bell, Texas steakhouse and about 100 pizza places....
ReplyDeleteGood luck with the local PONs, I seem to remember you tried that route before.
XXXOOO Daisy, Bella & Roxy
If illegal immigrants can get through the chunnel, a small puppy could get out the same way!
There are PON breeders in France, too. Some of them have puppies right now. That seems to me to be the most reasonable solution. Also there are lots of PON breeders in Belgium and the Netherlands.
ReplyDeleteI've been driving around in Europe quite a lot the past years and my experience is that nobody is interested in the dogs papers... ;-)
Angus, the response you got from the 'officials' doesn't seem to correspond to our reality. We brought our adult Berner over from Scotland when we moved in 2010. We drove south and took the Chunnel across to Calais. There were no questions asked when we departed, other than checking our ticket, and on the Calais side we simply drove off.
ReplyDeleteIn 2002, moving from Houston to Paris, we had three dogs traveling with us and none were checked for health certificates [which we had] or any history of shots. Curious.
We had the same experience and weren't checked when we drove the car off the train. We had dog passports. The officials point out that if we are stopped at the Channel Tunnel for a check by the douanes then the dogs would be quarantined for four months. Not a risk we want to take.
DeleteGiven your past experiences at airports, I wouldn't leave anything to chance either!
ReplyDeleteA long shot suggestion is to speak to a UK breeder--They should know if a waiver could be written by a vet in lieu of a rabies vaccine--They do that here in the US where the rabies vaccination requirement does not apply to puppies (and kittens) under three months.
An international relocation agent may know a way around the vaccination requirement. Puppies <3mos are exempt here when accompanied by a health certificate from the vet.
ReplyDeleteSee petrelocation.com, click international at the bottom of the page and the click ask our experts. They may have an answer for you. There simply must be a way.
Option c seems like the one to go with.
ReplyDeleteIf you did purchase your puppies from the UK it would be my pleasure to offer them a temporary home. We could even bring them over for you.
Merlin would love two baby Pons to teach the ways of the world!
Pons are the most delicious puppies, but I too would be thinking about all the older fellows that would be grateful for a bit of love, affection and home comfort.
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I hope you can find a breeder in France that you can work with! In any event, I'm very excited for you, and I know the wait gets worse the closer you get.
ReplyDeleteI'm half Norwegian, and I wouldn't be excited about a Norwegian restaurant, either! I'm sorry!
P.S Does the vaccination restriction apply to Dogs coming into France from every country? Maybe an intermediate country could be used between England and France.
ReplyDeleteSorry to be a blog hog but I was looking on pettravel.com and found, under pet passport Luxembourg that animals under three months ( restricted to cats and dogs) may enter an E.U. country with additional regulations. Of course they didn't say what.
ReplyDeleteOh, lord, the dreaded bureaucratic entanglements. Wishing you very very good luck, and much positive energy for the process of finding your sweet puppies!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nizinny.fr
ReplyDeleteI wish you luck in your quest.
ReplyDeleteFor me, I will always adopt a dog. So many good ones need homes.
Hope you will still get two "Pons" they are so beautiful.
ReplyDeletePON adventures-yeah! Hope all the questions/problems are resolved quickly.
ReplyDeleteAngus, you don't like pickled herring? If it is freshly made it is delicious. The mass marketed jarred stuff is truly dreadful.
I am sure you will find a way to get your dogs. The Lake Torridon option sounds quite lovely to me! ALso I like to leave a puppy with its mother longer than 8 weeks. They learn so much from their mother during the extra time they spend, if you can find a breeder who will work with you on that. The very best dog we ever had was with its mother until it was three months old, only because no one took it.
ReplyDeletePickled herring is probably one of the better Norske dishes, the really bad one is Lutefisk (lye fish) which is a grusome looking gelatinous mass of questionable ediblity. Besides that it stinks to the heavens. The best thing they have is lefse which is sort of a potato tortilla. No, I am Irish, no Norske blood, but my home community in Minniesnowda has lots of Norwegian people who are always trying to foist their foodstuffs on you. Krumkakke is an exception, a really wonderful cookie.
Cheers,
Jo
Back with one more idea - is there a PON club in the UK that knows of any older PONs that need rehoming? That way, if you don't opt for puppies, you would give a loving home to your favourite breed of dog.
ReplyDeleteAngus, you have lots of good suggestions from the posters above. We are all cheering for you to succeed in your PON quest. Good luck and keep us posted.
ReplyDeleteIf there is a UK breeder you're set on, then see if they will keep the puppies till 16 wks..
ReplyDeleteSometimes I think the extra time spent with their pack does them good.
Of course, renting a cottage in the Lake District for a couple of months wouldn't be such a bad thing either.
Cannot wait to "meet" them!!
xo
LOVE pickled herring! Good on bread....
ReplyDeleteFingers crossed you will find an avenue that works and we will have puppies to read about! I like the idea Pamela suggested, perhaps the breeder will keep the pups.
Good luck!
Hi Angus, I understood that puppies, provided they are young and have only been with their mother and not in contact with other dogs, do not need to be vaccinated and can be brought into France with a translated letter from the breeder to this effect. There is an English vet in Beauville - Diana James (vet2U@wanadoo.fr)who can confirm the latest regulations. I would strongly advise against leaving the dogs with the breeder. The most critical time for dog socialisation is up to 16 weeks and they need to be bonding with you and learning about the world from you - noises / other dogs / humans / animals etc etc. Miss that stage and it all becomes much harder later on. We learnt the hard way and would never let that happen again. There is also much joy from those first months as well, such a contrast when one has been so wrapped up in watching the end of an old dog's life. :)
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